SN-10067 附来源、原文与上下文。
这个观点很好:既然知道现有币的数量和新币的生成速度,就可以根据你持有的传统货币金额设定一个支撑价格,并且确信有足够资金满足全部需求。我之前设想的是拍卖,不过按特定汇率提供支持要简单得多,也更能建立信心。
That's a good point that since you know how many coins exist and how fast new ones are created, you could set a support price based on the amount of legacy currency you have and be sure you'll have enough to meet all demands. I had imagined an auction, but it would be far simpler and more confidence inspiring to back it at a specific exchange rate.
拿货币来支持比特币,会吸引想白拿好处的人,好处是能带来大量关注。起初,人们多半会把它看成利用电脑闲置时间免费拿钱的办法。也许可以宣传成:帮助支持电子商务的未来,并通过电脑空闲算力赚一点钱。随着人们兑现并真正拿到钱,消息会呈指数式传播。
Offering currency to back bitcoins would attract freebie seekers, with the benefit of attracting a lot of publicity. At first it would mostly be seen as a way to get free money for your computer's idle time. Maybe pitched like help support the future of e-commerce and get a little money for your computer's spare cycles. As people cash in and actually get paid, word would spread exponentially.
把最低交易量设得高于普通用户用一台电脑能够积累的数量,或许会有帮助。这样用户就必须相互交易,才有人能攒够数量来兑现。汇集者会开业,以较小数量收购比特币。如果可供选择的买家不只有你,用户对能够卖出比特币的信心就会增加。
It might help to keep the minimum transaction size above an amount which a typical user would be able to accumulate with one computer, so that users have to trade with each other for someone to collect enough to cash in. Aggregators would set up shop to buy bitcoins in smaller increments, which would add confidence in users ability to sell bitcoins if there are more available buyers than just you.
一开始,人们显然会怀疑,这种支持能否经得起大批想免费拿钱的人涌入。但随着竞争提高工作量证明难度,比特币会一直保持稀缺,这一点应该会逐渐清楚。人们会发现,不能想要多少比特币就得到多少。这会为比特币确立一个最低价值,使它能够用于其他用途——希望那些用途正等着有东西可用。
People would obviously be sceptical at first that the backing will hold up against an onslaught of people trying to get the free money, but as the competition raises the proof-of-work difficulty, it should become clear that bitcoins stay scarce. People will see that they can't just get all the bitcoins they want. It would establish a minimum value under bitcoins enabling them to be used for other purposes if, hopefully, other purposes are waiting for something to use.
引用 Martti Malmi 的文字Martti Malmi来源 ↗引用中本聪此前的文字中本聪来源 ↗如果人们能用它做点什么,就会有帮助。我们需要一个应用来带动它起步。有什么想法吗?
It would help if there was something for people to use it for. We need an application to bootstrap it. Any ideas?
我一直在考虑一项货币兑换服务,用欧元和其他货币买卖比特币。能够直接兑换为现有货币,会给比特币带来尽可能好的初始流动性,从而让新用户最容易采用。人人都愿意接受可以轻松兑换成普通钱币的币作为付款,但并不是人人都接受只能保证买到某一类特定产品的币。
I've been thinking about a currency exchange service that sells and buys bitcoins for euros and other currencies. Direct exchangeability to an existing currency would give bitcoin the best possible initial liquidity and thus the best adoptability for new users. Everyone accepts payment in coins that are easily exchangeable for common money, but not everyone accepts payment in coins that are only guaranteed to buy a specific kind of a product.
如果还有某个细分产品市场可以用它,效果会更强。一些虚拟货币,比如腾讯的 Q 币,已经在虚拟商品领域取得进展。如果官方虚拟货币受到限制时,能想办法打入这样的市场,就太好了。并不是说没有某种用途就不能成功,不过,如果它能满足一种现成的、具体的交易需求,成功的把握就会更大。
That would be more powerful if there was also some narrow product market to use it for. Some virtual currencies like Tencent's Q coin have made headway with virtual goods. It would be sweet if there was some way to horn in on a market like that as the official virtual currency gets clamped down on with limitations. Not saying it can't work without something, but a ready specific transaction need that it fills would increase the certainty of success.
引用 Martti Malmi 的文字Martti Malmi来源 ↗最简单的兑换服务可以是一个网站,交易者可以是个人,在上面公布自己的汇率,其他用户可以提交交易请求。网站上可以显示某种平均汇率估计值。在大多数国家,个人的小规模交易不会有法律上的麻烦,也避免了把所有鸡蛋放进同一个篮子。
At its simplest this exchange service could be a website where traders, who can be individual persons, can post their rates, and random users can leave trade requests. Some kind of an average rate estimate could be shown on the site. Small-scale trading by individuals would be outside legal hassle in most countries, and putting all the eggs in the same basket would be avoided.
基本上就是类似 eBay 的网站,用用户评价来尝试判断哪些卖家可信。托管功能会有帮助,但解决不了一切。搭建这样的网站,要比只建立一个你自己的兑换网站费事得多,而且要到以后才会有足够用户让它运转。我想,等到以后再做 eBay 式网站才有意义。
Basically like an eBay site with user reviews to try to establish which sellers can be trusted. The escrow feature will help but not solve everything. It would be far more work to set up such a site than just to set up a single exchange site of your own, and there won't be enough users to make it go until later. I'm thinking it wouldn't make sense to make an eBay type site until later.
引用 Martti Malmi 的文字Martti Malmi来源 ↗另一个可以与前面想法结合的点子,是自动兑换服务。服务会自动计算汇率并执行交易。用户体验会更好:交易请求的完成既确定又即时。如果比特币有命令行接口,实现这个服务可能其实很容易:选任意一个网站应用框架,再集成 PayPal 后端,就能在收到比特币时自动发送欧元,反之亦然。如果你成立一家公司,处理好从事货币兑换所需的全部手续,这种业务在更大规模下也会运作得很好。(我其实有一家注册公司,曾用于一些 IT 工作的开票,可以以它为基础。)
Another idea, which could be additional to the previous one, would be an automated exchange service. The service would automatically calculate the exchange rate and perform the transactions. This would be nicer to the user: completion of the transaction request would be certain and instantaneous. Making this service might actually be quite easy if there was a command line interface to Bitcoin: just take any web application framework and use PayPal back-end integration to automatically send euros when Bitcoins are received, and vice versa. This kind of business would also work great on larger scale if you set up a company and take care of all the bureaucracy needed to practice currency exchange. (I actually have a registered company that I've used for billing of some IT work, I could use that as a base.)
即使实现了自动化,你可能还是会想先人工审查订单,再处理。手动处理订单并不难,尤其是初期。你随时可以设定最低订单金额,降低订单频率。
Even if you had automation, you'd probably want to review orders manually before processing them anyway. It wouldn't be hard to process orders by hand, especially at first. You could always set a minimum order size to keep orders more infrequent.
引用 Martti Malmi 的文字Martti Malmi来源 ↗这项兑换业务是我有兴趣去做的事,我也具备足够的技术能力。不过,在此之前,应该先有一个非 alpha 版的比特币(以及命令行接口/API)。
This exchange business thing is something that I'd be interested in doing, and I also have the sufficient technical skills to do it. Although, before this can be done, there should be a non-alpha version of Bitcoin (and the command line interface / API).
如果开始做,非常欢迎捐赠者/高风险投资者提供资本,作为货币的支持。
If this gets started, donors / high-risk investors would be very welcome to bring capital for the currency's backup.
你觉得这个想法怎么样?请注意,如果你忙于其他事情,这不是在请你来做(除非你想做)。如果这个计划得到正面评价,我可以自己做。
So, what do you think about the idea? Note that this is not something that I'm asking you to do (unless you want to) if you're busy with other things. I can do it myself, if I get positive reviews about the plan.
太好了,我大概可以让一位捐赠者给你汇款,由你换成欧元,再通过方便用户的方式付出去。我不想自己做兑换业务,不过这件事可以独立于我进行。正如你所说,首先还有软件开发工作要做,而且我还想再花一段时间,想想可以用比特币的起步应用。我已有一些想法,只能在兑换服务出现之前实现。
That's great, I could probably get a donor to send currency to you which you convert to euros and pay out through methods that are convenient for users. I don't want to do an exchange business myself, but it can be done independently of me. Like you say, there is more software development to be done first, and also I'd like to keep trying for a while to think of a bootstrap application to use bitcoins for. I've had some ideas that could only be done before an exchange exists.
顺便说一句,我开始之前曾试着购买 bitcoin.com,但完全没有机会,它属于一个专业域名投机者。开源项目使用 .org 很常见,所以也不算太糟。
BTW, I tried to buy bitcoin.com before I started but there was no chance, it's owned by a professional domain speculator. It's normal for open source projects to have .org so it's not so bad.